Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate Tutto quello che avreste sempre voluto sapere sulle obbligazioni perpetue... - Cap. 3 (14 lettori)

steff

Forumer storico
Se posso chiedere , ritieni che possano ritornare verso i 100 ?o anche più sotto ? Non pensi che ad un certo punto in vicinanza di settembre si possa formare un pavimento sotto il quale non vada ?

seguendo l'analisi tecnica a livello grafico c'e' un supporto a 101,4 mentre a salire incontra una resistenza a 110.

ps: le ho tradate diverse volte nei mesi scorsi, ma ora le conservo in ptf .
 

sergiog

Forumer attivo
Se posso chiedere , ritieni che possano ritornare verso i 100 ?o anche più sotto ? Non pensi che ad un certo punto in vicinanza di settembre si possa formare un pavimento sotto il quale non vada ?
Dove possa andare non lo so.
Che credo scenda è nella mia operatività (ho venduto). Aspetto un calo generalizzato che, causa BC di mezzo mondo, tarda ad arrivare.
Prima della sospensione delle cedole si comprava sui 130 (febbraio di quest'anno): lasciavi sul terreno cinque anni di cedole (ha fatto 137 di massimo).
Nella mia operatività (molto basica) a 105 non ci si rimette (come sempre si dice in questi casi, imho).
Spero scenda ben più in basso, fino agli 85 la seguo senza problemi. Dovesse arrivare fin là ne riparliamo.
 
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bia06

Listen other's viewpoint avoid conflicts & wars.
Azz.....................:oops::(:nero:


bond in sofferenza...
UPDATE 2-Lufthansa warns its $10 billion bailout deal is in jeopardy
17/06/2020 12:27 RSF
* Thiele now holds 15.5% of Lufthansa shares
* Airline worried it might not get enough votes for deal
* Would seek protection from creditors if it fails

(Adds reaction, share price, shareholder structure)
By Ilona Wissenbach
FRANKFURT, June 17 (Reuters) - German airline Lufthansa (LHA.EQ) warned on Wednesday that it might need to apply for protection from creditors if its state-backed bailout deal failed to win sufficient support at a shareholder vote on June 25.

Its statement came after German billionaire Heinz Hermann Thiele sharply criticised the 9 billion euro ($10.1 billion)bailout, saying he had raised his stake in the company to more than 15% and hoped alternative options could be explored. (news)

In an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper, Thiele said he was not satisfied with the deal that gives the German government a 20% stake in Lufthansa, as well as two seats on its supervisory board.

Lufthansa shares were up 1% at 0955 GMT.

Lufthansa said its executive board expected the attendance at its extraordinary general meeting to vote on the package on June 25 to be below 50%, which would mean two-thirds of those present would need to vote in favour.

"In view of the latest public statements by the company's largest single shareholder, Heinz Hermann Thiele, the board considers it possible that the stabilisation package could fail to achieve the two-thirds majority of votes cast that would be required in this case," Lufthansa said.

"This would mean that Deutsche Lufthansa AG would possibly have to apply for protective shield proceedings under insolvency law a few days after the annual general meeting if no other solution is found immediately," the German airline said.


'COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE'
Under German protective shield proceedings, a company's management remains in charge and typically gets up to three months to come up with a plan to avoid insolvency.

"The German government has taken a high-risk bet. Its wish for the government to take a direct stake in Lufthansa is putting the jobs of hundreds of thousands of Lufthansa employees at risk. It's completely irresponsible," said Michael Theurer, a senior member of the opposition Free Democrats (FDP).

Lufthansa shareholders must register to attend the shareholder meeting by June 20 and if more than 50% attend, a simple majority would suffice, Lufthansa said.

As of June 4, 85% of Lufthansa's shareholders were based in Germany. Lufthansa confirmed on Wednesday that Thiele now has a stake of 15.5% in the airline.

Thiele, who declined to say whether he would vote against the deal, said an indirect state participation via German state-owned development bank KfW could be an alternative to an outright government stake.

Like the rest of the airline sector, Lufthansa has been hard hit by what is expected to be a protracted travel slump due to the coronavirus pandemic, forcing its management to seek help from the state.

Under the deal, the German government could raise its stake to 25% plus one share in the event of a takeover attempt and the airline must also transfer up to 24 takeoff and landing slots at the Frankfurt and Munich airports to rivals. (news)

With many of its planes grounded because of the pandemic, Lufthansa also said on Monday it was seeking to strike agreements with worker representatives by June 22 on how to make job cuts equivalent to 22,000 full-time positions. (news)
 

nuvola nera

Forumer storico
Grazie a steff e sergiog , io credo di essere un detentore storico del titolo e nel pre panico di marzo quando inspiegabilmente si avvicinava a 100 ne ha comprate ancora ( con la sorpresa del blocco dei dividendi ) ho poi ancora comprato intorno ai 90 . In queste settimane sono fermo ma sono attento osservatore dei movimenti , cacciatore di notizie sulla società e interessato a scambi di opinione con chi segue il titolo , purtroppo non sono molto bravo nell 'analisi tecnica ma per chi è bravo e ci capisce credo che possa dare belle soddisfazioni. Attendo fiducioso settembre e spero che il ritorno al pagamento porti a una stabilizzazione del valore , se poi fosse intorno ai 130 ........
 

bia06

Listen other's viewpoint avoid conflicts & wars.
Non importa dei commenti. Chi ti legge da anni apprezza la tua sincerita'.
Tutto il resto e' noia....

Fabrizio

lo capisci ora perchè non posto più

se sale e hai venduto sei fesso

se scende e hai venduto sei un figo

...io mi giudico da solo ...anzi è il conto corrente che parla o_O

non aspetto più il forum per i giudizi ...:ciapet:





P.S.

non è photoshop...

50 KuKUZZE...di gain


comunque Fabri....no stress



io tra oggi e i giorni scorsi ho flattato tutto ...

mi spiace per i salinisti 2027 webuild avevo rastrellato fino a quasi 2 milioni i giorni scorsi ....le ho fatte "sgonfiare " stamattina OTC :rotfl:

sono turista per sempre



ho solo le axa 174 400K con bid sopra 100 :cool:

totale M to M a 3.680.000 euri ...

Vedi l'allegato 562806
 

Fra41

Forumer storico
bond in sofferenza...
UPDATE 2-Lufthansa warns its $10 billion bailout deal is in jeopardy
17/06/2020 12:27 RSF
* Thiele now holds 15.5% of Lufthansa shares
* Airline worried it might not get enough votes for deal
* Would seek protection from creditors if it fails

(Adds reaction, share price, shareholder structure)
By Ilona Wissenbach
FRANKFURT, June 17 (Reuters) - German airline Lufthansa (LHA.EQ) warned on Wednesday that it might need to apply for protection from creditors if its state-backed bailout deal failed to win sufficient support at a shareholder vote on June 25.

Its statement came after German billionaire Heinz Hermann Thiele sharply criticised the 9 billion euro ($10.1 billion)bailout, saying he had raised his stake in the company to more than 15% and hoped alternative options could be explored. (news)

In an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper, Thiele said he was not satisfied with the deal that gives the German government a 20% stake in Lufthansa, as well as two seats on its supervisory board.

Lufthansa shares were up 1% at 0955 GMT.

Lufthansa said its executive board expected the attendance at its extraordinary general meeting to vote on the package on June 25 to be below 50%, which would mean two-thirds of those present would need to vote in favour.

"In view of the latest public statements by the company's largest single shareholder, Heinz Hermann Thiele, the board considers it possible that the stabilisation package could fail to achieve the two-thirds majority of votes cast that would be required in this case," Lufthansa said.

"This would mean that Deutsche Lufthansa AG would possibly have to apply for protective shield proceedings under insolvency law a few days after the annual general meeting if no other solution is found immediately," the German airline said.


'COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE'
Under German protective shield proceedings, a company's management remains in charge and typically gets up to three months to come up with a plan to avoid insolvency.

"The German government has taken a high-risk bet. Its wish for the government to take a direct stake in Lufthansa is putting the jobs of hundreds of thousands of Lufthansa employees at risk. It's completely irresponsible," said Michael Theurer, a senior member of the opposition Free Democrats (FDP).

Lufthansa shareholders must register to attend the shareholder meeting by June 20 and if more than 50% attend, a simple majority would suffice, Lufthansa said.

As of June 4, 85% of Lufthansa's shareholders were based in Germany. Lufthansa confirmed on Wednesday that Thiele now has a stake of 15.5% in the airline.

Thiele, who declined to say whether he would vote against the deal, said an indirect state participation via German state-owned development bank KfW could be an alternative to an outright government stake.

Like the rest of the airline sector, Lufthansa has been hard hit by what is expected to be a protracted travel slump due to the coronavirus pandemic, forcing its management to seek help from the state.

Under the deal, the German government could raise its stake to 25% plus one share in the event of a takeover attempt and the airline must also transfer up to 24 takeoff and landing slots at the Frankfurt and Munich airports to rivals. (news)

With many of its planes grounded because of the pandemic, Lufthansa also said on Monday it was seeking to strike agreements with worker representatives by June 22 on how to make job cuts equivalent to 22,000 full-time positions. (news)
Questa dell’avvocato tedesco la credete una minaccia credibile o solo uno spauracchio x portare a casa per lui un qualche miglioramento nell’offerta? Non credo che il ministro tedesco si pieghi all’ultimo minuto. Mi pare si voti il 25
 

stefmas

Forumer storico
Questa dell’avvocato tedesco la credete una minaccia credibile o solo uno spauracchio x portare a casa per lui un qualche miglioramento nell’offerta? Non credo che il ministro tedesco si pieghi all’ultimo minuto. Mi pare si voti il 25
Si, mi sembra si voti il 25... Io penso sia uno spauracchio, ma i tedeschi sono spesso pericolosi perchè a volte si puntano su cose di principio con risultati disastrosi.. Speriamo bene per questa vicenda.
 

frmaoro

il Fankazzista
Questa dell’avvocato tedesco la credete una minaccia credibile o solo uno spauracchio x portare a casa per lui un qualche miglioramento nell’offerta? Non credo che il ministro tedesco si pieghi all’ultimo minuto. Mi pare si voti il 25
per me un grande bluff io entro poco prima del 25 giugno
 

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