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NIBC Bank Skips Option to Repay EU200 Million of Debt (Update1)
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By Neil Unmack

Feb. 3 (Bloomberg) -- NIBC Holding NV, the Dutch investment bank whose owners include J.C. Flowers & Co., didn’t use an option to redeem 200 million euros ($256 million) of mortgage- backed bonds at their expected call date.

The bank skipped the opportunity to repay the notes yesterday because it wasn’t “economically sensible,” said Ingeborg Klunder, an NIBC spokeswoman in the Hague.

NIBC follows Deutsche Bank AG’s decision not to repay a bond on its call date because of the cost to refinance the debt. “Virtually all” Dutch mortgage-backed bonds are still priced by banks on the assumption they will be repaid at their first call date, according to Chris Ames, head of asset-backed investment at Schroder Investment Management Ltd. in London.

NIBC sold the bonds in 2002 through a special-purpose company called SwAFE 1 BV set up to finance Dutch home loans originated by Zwitserleven, an Amsterdam-based unit of SNS Reaal NV. NIB later bought the mortgages from Zwitserleven, according to a Moody’s statement in 2004. The original issue of 800 million euros has shrunk as borrowers repaid their loans, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

After the call date, the coupon on the top-rated portion of the bonds switches to a floating rate of 0.87 percentage point over the euro interbank offered rate, according to the prospectus for the issue. The new rate is less than the fixed 5.32 percent coupon paid before the call, based on three-month Euribor of 2.06 percent.

“It dramatically reduces the coupon the issuer has to pay,” Ames said in an interview. “If anyone has to sell, then the price will be significantly below par.”

Bondholders can lose when mortgage-backed bonds aren’t called because they are prevented from reinvesting their money elsewhere at higher rates.

Investors are demanding yields of as much as 3.95 percentage points more than benchmark rates to buy three-year European top- rated mortgage-backed bonds, nearly four times the yield a year earlier, according to Deutsche Bank AG.
 
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NIBC Bank Skips Option to Repay EU200 Million of Debt (Update1)
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By Neil Unmack

Feb. 3 (Bloomberg) -- NIBC Holding NV, the Dutch investment bank whose owners include J.C. Flowers & Co., didn’t use an option to redeem 200 million euros ($256 million) of mortgage- backed bonds at their expected call date.

The bank skipped the opportunity to repay the notes yesterday because it wasn’t “economically sensible,” said Ingeborg Klunder, an NIBC spokeswoman in the Hague.

NIBC follows Deutsche Bank AG’s decision not to repay a bond on its call date because of the cost to refinance the debt. “Virtually all” Dutch mortgage-backed bonds are still priced by banks on the assumption they will be repaid at their first call date, according to Chris Ames, head of asset-backed investment at Schroder Investment Management Ltd. in London.

NIBC sold the bonds in 2002 through a special-purpose company called SwAFE 1 BV set up to finance Dutch home loans originated by Zwitserleven, an Amsterdam-based unit of SNS Reaal NV. NIB later bought the mortgages from Zwitserleven, according to a Moody’s statement in 2004. The original issue of 800 million euros has shrunk as borrowers repaid their loans, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

After the call date, the coupon on the top-rated portion of the bonds switches to a floating rate of 0.87 percentage point over the euro interbank offered rate, according to the prospectus for the issue. The new rate is less than the fixed 5.32 percent coupon paid before the call, based on three-month Euribor of 2.06 percent.

“It dramatically reduces the coupon the issuer has to pay,” Ames said in an interview. “If anyone has to sell, then the price will be significantly below par.”

Bondholders can lose when mortgage-backed bonds aren’t called because they are prevented from reinvesting their money elsewhere at higher rates.

Investors are demanding yields of as much as 3.95 percentage points more than benchmark rates to buy three-year European top- rated mortgage-backed bonds, nearly four times the yield a year earlier, according to Deutsche Bank AG.

Che a rigor di logica la decisione è sensata, visti costi/benefici nettamente in loro favore, con quello che costa oggigiorno rifinanziarsi,
e per una Banca d'affari come Nibc ancor di più ( anche se in base al suo core tier 1 :eek: al 15% circa parrebbe ultrasolida, ma di questi tempi....)
 

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NIBC Bank Skips Option to Repay EU200 Million of Debt (Update1)
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By Neil Unmack

Feb. 3 (Bloomberg) -- NIBC Holding NV, the Dutch investment bank whose owners include J.C. Flowers & Co., didn’t use an option to redeem 200 million euros ($256 million) of mortgage- backed bonds at their expected call date.

The bank skipped the opportunity to repay the notes yesterday because it wasn’t “economically sensible,” said Ingeborg Klunder, an NIBC spokeswoman in the Hague.

NIBC follows Deutsche Bank AG’s decision not to repay a bond on its call date because of the cost to refinance the debt. “Virtually all” Dutch mortgage-backed bonds are still priced by banks on the assumption they will be repaid at their first call date, according to Chris Ames, head of asset-backed investment at Schroder Investment Management Ltd. in London.

NIBC sold the bonds in 2002 through a special-purpose company called SwAFE 1 BV set up to finance Dutch home loans originated by Zwitserleven, an Amsterdam-based unit of SNS Reaal NV. NIB later bought the mortgages from Zwitserleven, according to a Moody’s statement in 2004. The original issue of 800 million euros has shrunk as borrowers repaid their loans, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

After the call date, the coupon on the top-rated portion of the bonds switches to a floating rate of 0.87 percentage point over the euro interbank offered rate, according to the prospectus for the issue. The new rate is less than the fixed 5.32 percent coupon paid before the call, based on three-month Euribor of 2.06 percent.

“It dramatically reduces the coupon the issuer has to pay,” Ames said in an interview. “If anyone has to sell, then the price will be significantly below par.”

Bondholders can lose when mortgage-backed bonds aren’t called because they are prevented from reinvesting their money elsewhere at higher rates.

Investors are demanding yields of as much as 3.95 percentage points more than benchmark rates to buy three-year European top- rated mortgage-backed bonds, nearly four times the yield a year earlier, according to Deutsche Bank AG.

Se non lo riscattano alla call, non possono dire che non è economically sensible... dite che la liquidità è scarsa e temete che il costo del rifinanziamento del bond sarebbe tale da non rendere conveniente il richiamo... è più onesto... ;)
 
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TheLondoner

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intanto i due bond 2009 quotano ancora abbondantemente sotto la pari.
Qualcuno che ha seguito le vicende può riassumere i pro e i contro (giusto due / tre punti) della situazione attuale in cui versa NIB?
 

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intanto i due bond 2009 quotano ancora abbondantemente sotto la pari.
Qualcuno che ha seguito le vicende può riassumere i pro e i contro (giusto due / tre punti) della situazione attuale in cui versa NIB?

P.S detengo da poco tempo qualche cip obbligazionario di NIB;)

Cito a memoria, Nib Capital Bank è una :-? " Banca d'affari ",
che di questi tempi non è come tipologia il massimo della vita,
visto che tra l'altro gli utili/affari migliori per le Banche d'affari
derivano dalle operazioni di merger e acquisition:( che di questi tempi.

Vi è altresì da rimarcare che l'Istituto, da diversi mesi è anche Banca normale e sta raccogliendo copiosa liquidità, grazie all'incentivo di grassi interessi riconosciuti ai nuovi correntisti
( così come sta facendo Mediobanca per intenderci ;))

La Banca è privata, ma controllata dalla Banca Centrale Olandese.

Lo stato dei tulipani ha garantito le nuove emissioni obbligazionarie di Nib 2009
per un importo superiore al MLD Eur, che ovviamente sostituiranno....;)

Nib era rimasta " in parte " invischiata in tranches mutui/immobiliare,
ma ha depauperato/disinnescato/ la mina/perdita di tale veicolo.

Ha quindi effettuato ( i soci ) aumento capitale 400 MLN EUR,
ed è considerata ben gestita e con coefficienti tipo Core tier 1 superiori a Mediobanca
( ma di questi tempi, anche questi coefficienti non sempre... )

La banca non è quotata sul Market azionario,
ed ha BBB+ di rating.
 

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complimenti per il sunto.
Il fondo JC Flowers è sempre nell'azionariato o ne è uscito ?

JC Flowers è tutt'ora in sella e maggiore azionista
( altro azionista di minoranza però e il Santander )

Il problema che nei prossimi anni hanno corpose emissioni obbligazionarie in scadenza , e di questi tempi :rolleyes:,
anche se per la mole dell'azionista di maggioranza JC Flowers sono importi
non certo imponenti;)

Ciò non toglie che l'Istituto sia ben gestito e che il Governo olandese sia verso di esso ben disposto;)
 

mickey75

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NIB ha lanciato in Germania una nuova versione del NIBC Direct che qualche mese fa era stata proposta in Olanda. Certo vengono offerti tassi assai alti e forse sospetti... Comunque il fatto che abbiano emesso in dicembre un prestito da 1,25 miliardi di euro garantito dal governo olandese dovrebbe consentire il pagamento delle scadenze almeno per quest'anno.:)
NIB ha inoltre una forte capitalizzazione con mezzi propri ed è priva di titoli subprime.


PRESS RELEASE
The Hague, 3 February 2009

Through its Frankfurt office, NIBC Bank today launches NIBC Direct in Germany. NIBC Direct is a range of online retail savings products that offers competitive interest rates. NIBC Direct’s German interest rates start at 5.0% for the instant access account and go up to 5.5% for deposits. The German introduction of NIBC Direct (www.nibcdirect.de) follows the success of NIBC Direct in the Netherlands, where it was launched on 9 September 2008 and recently reached the EUR 1 billion mark.
As market developments prompt investors and savers to review their investment approach, there is strong demand for stability and certainty combined with attractive returns. NIBC Direct is a simple and transparent range of competitive products from instant access accounts to fixed-term deposits. “With NIBC Direct now also active in Germany, German retail savers can benefit from the high interest rates that our low cost base enables us to offer,” comments Jeroen Drost, Chief Executive Officer of NIBC.

 
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